BREAKING: Are Mail-Order Abortion Pills Getting Banned? (Ep.12)

In this breaking episode of the Abort Ignorance Montana podcast, host Tanaia Puchta dives into one of the biggest abortion debates happening in America right now: the future of mail-order abortion pills. As legal battles intensify across the country, many are asking whether abortion pills sent through the mail could soon face new restrictions or outright bans.

What authority does the federal government actually have over abortion drugs? How are states responding after Roe v. Wade? And what would these changes mean for women, healthcare providers, and the pro-life movement in Montana and beyond?

This episode breaks down the latest developments, the media narratives surrounding abortion pills, and the larger cultural fight over chemical abortion in America. Whether you’re deeply involved in the issue or just trying to understand what’s happening, this conversation offers context, clarity, and a Montana perspective on a rapidly changing national story.

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Hi, welcome to the Abort Ignorance Montana Podcast. I'm Tenea, your host. On this podcast, we seek to educate, advocate, and heal the culture in Montana surrounding abortion. On today's episode, we're going to be diving into the chemical abortion pill and a possibility right now that's happening in our nation that we might be able to ban the abortion pill from being sent in the mail. So as always, before we get started, subscribe to our channel, download our episodes. You can listen anywhere on the go. Email us at abortignorancemt at gmail.com if you have any questions, thoughts, insights, want to be part of the conversation, and then follow us on Facebook and Instagram to see everything that is our latest coming out. So we're gonna first dive into what the abortion pill is. We haven't gone over that yet and what the then we're gonna get into some history of where the abortion pill started, uh kind of what's progressed since that first came out, and then what's happening right now that is taking place that will possibly ban the abortion pill from being sent in the mail. So the abortion pill is a series of, it's a it's can call it can be called chemical abortion, the abortion pill, are you 486? These are all synonyms for what to call it. Um medicated abortion is also something people call it. And so essentially what that is, is it is a series of two different medications that are used, and one is called mifepristone and one is called misopristol. And so they're used together one after the other to first mifepristone. Uh the woman takes that and then it actually starves the baby of nutrients in the womb. So the baby dies uh because this mifepristone is starving the baby of the nutrients. And then after that, they she takes misopristol, and misapristol causes the woman's uterus to contract, and she actually delivers that baby. And so she's able to expel that baby, the dead remains of her child, um, out of her womb by using that uh misopristol that causes contractions. So uh essentially this was supposed to be used no later than 11 weeks of pregnancy, which is very early on, um, just under three months. And so now what is happening is women are using it beyond that, uh, and it's very, very dangerous. It's always dangerous because somebody always dies when this pill is being used, the baby. Um, but it's actually also very dangerous for the mom. So that's what the abortion pill is and does. Now, these uh two medications, they do have other uses, kind of, in the medical community. So myfopristone, not really. Uh, it can in very rare cases be used for a rare disease called Cushing's disease to help with that. Um, but pretty much myphopristone was just manufactured to uh starve a baby of nutrients in the womb, um, kill that child, and so it was is just manufactured for abortion. So if you outlawed myphopristone altogether, we wouldn't really be missing that much, but they're used in different dosages, they're used in different ways for these different scenarios. So abortion versus, you know, a rare disease like Cushing's disease. Uh and so sometimes that's can be called off-label use, which can happen in the medical community. Uh, but what I'm trying to get at is if we actually just banned Mifepristone altogether, uh, it wouldn't be that impactful, uh, besides preventing babies from dying and women from experiencing the tragedy of abortion. Now, Mesopristol, however, that that's the one that's used to cause the woman to contract after the babies died in the womb as part of the chemical abortion regimen. Uh, but it can also be used in a normal uh pregnancy induction. So that's still useful, but as far as how it's used with abortion, we could ban that usage and still let the drug be on the market, and we would prevent women from experiencing the tragedy of abortion and babies from dying in the womb. So that's how the chemical abortion pill works. That is now 82% of abortions in Montana, um, and most of abortions across our nation are now chemical abortions. So a little bit of the history of what's going on with chemical abortion is back in the Clinton era, is when the drug was first approved for being used for abortions. And there, but there was a protocol to it. So, in order to, for a doctor or an abortionist who aren't even typically actual doctors some of the times, um, they could only prescribe it to a woman for the purpose of abortion after three in-person visits to her doctor. So one, she had to go in to get checked for how far along the pregnancy is she, which is really important because this is only meant to be used, again, maximum of 11 weeks of pregnancy. Um, beyond that, it's even more dangerous for the woman. It's always dangerous for the baby. We know that. But it's even more dangerous for the woman because the baby's bigger, the baby's more developed. And so after that baby dies in the womb, and the woman's trying to expel that baby at home by herself in her third, fourth, or more month of pregnancy if she's not being checked, uh, it's more likely that remnants of the baby are gonna be left behind, or she's gonna have delivery complications, and that she could get infections that cause sepsis, which is very, very lethal, or uh she could bleed out, that can be issues with bleeding afterwards, it can cause other damages. So it's really important that this drug is only taken during the weeks of pregnancy that it's meant to be taken. Uh, if I mean we don't want it to be used for abortion at all, but if it is, that was why there was a safeguard around that originally when this drug was approved. So first visit that the woman had to go to in person was to make sure how far along she was in the pregnancy. And then the second visit was to actually get the drugs, take the pills. She had to take them there at the clinic, and then she would, you know, go through the whole process of having her abortion. And then third visit was she had to come back in for a follow-up visit to make sure that everything went okay and she was safe and healthy. So that was how it's been for a long time. Really, chemical abortion is, I mean, we hear so much about it now. It's like almost like you can forget that there's other types of abortions happening because it's so prominent. But that's really only happened in the past few years uh that chemical abortion has become the number one way that women are seeking abortion. And so, up until uh the Obama era, that was the protocol. You had to have three in-person visits to be prescribed this drug, um, are you 486, mifepristol, and misopristol, and have an abortion at home via chemical medical, medicated abortion. So that was up until the Obama era, and then he changed the ruling to say, well, let's just have her have one in-person visit. And that was pretty much just to get the pills. And so maybe they were checking, you know, her last menstrual period and how far long they thought she was, maybe, but you had to at least go into a doctor's office, make an appointment, um, know that the doctor or the nurse practitioner or whoever it was that is the abortionist was prescribing um this medication. They had to look the woman in the face, they had to actually give her the medication. And so that was another step a woman had to go into. So at least it had to be dispensed like any other, you know, uh highly uh risk risky medications, you know, like we don't just hand out uh like opioids over over the counter, like they have to be prescribed by a doctor because you actually have a condition going on where you really do need that medication, and it's the correct medication for you. So as far as women's health care goes, that Obama-era restriction, I guess not restriction, lifting the restrictions, uh, where you only had to have one in-person visit instead of three in-person visits, was no benefit to women's health care at all because they're not getting checked for how far along they are, if they're ectopic pregnancy, uh, none of that. They're not making sure that there's no other medications the woman's taking that these drugs are going to interact with and cause adverse effects. They're not checking medical history or where she's at um, you know, with other health conditions, nothing. They don't even know or care the woman's name for the most part. So, and so that that all went away besides just that one time to come in and get the medication to take it at home to have your abortion. Uh, that was the Obama era. And then fast forward to the Biden era and COVID hit, and of course, there were people uh across our nation and I'm sure the world that took advantage of people during COVID uh to get their own agenda across the finish line. So in the uh Biden era, during after right after COVID, they uh they actually said, well, well, so so in COVID, they are they said we can now mail, send out abortion pills via mail because this is women's health care and they need to have this and it's so vital. Which there's never a reason for a woman to need to have an abortion to save the life of the mother or for a medical condition. Um, if it's an ectopic pregnancy, then that's you know, that's life-threatening. That baby is inserted in the fallopian tube. That baby's not going to survive, anyways, because they can't get the right nutrients in the fallopian tube. So there has to be, that has to be taken care of in that way. I'd consider that a miscarriage. And then there are actual miscarriages where just naturally the woman's body, for whatever reason, doesn't carry that baby to term. But that's not what was happening here. This was just elective abortion. They said it was vital health care during COVID. So we need to uh let these be mailed out because everyone's at home. You know, we're stuck at home, stuck in our houses, can't go out, can't go to the doctors, can't do anything. And so they did that, and that was supposed to be very short term. That was not supposed to take a long time or be for forever or be a new ruling. It was supposed to be during COVID, and then we're all we've all been back to normal life for years now. And the Biden era, they just that that administration decided we're just gonna continue this. And what was supposed to be a temporary thing and mail abortion pills to women who were not even seeing or checking how far along they are, we're just gonna continue that. And so that was the Biden era. They said no in-person visits are needed, just like it was COVID. Uh, you can just order them online. You can don't even have to get them at, you know, a special pharmacy or from your from your doctor or from an abortion clinic. You can just, you can just get them online wherever you want. And so that that is what's been unheard of. And that's what has caused the abortion pill usage to skyrocket. Again, 82% of abortions in Montana are because of the abortion pill right now. And so that's causing numbers to skyrocket up for abortions in general, which has been a little frustrating for uh those of us in this movement. So Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022, and we were very excited, and we thought this is great, it's going back to the states. That's a whole separate conversation that we could debate on if that was actually good or negative. Um, but we're we've all we've all been shocked by the numbers because abortions are skyrocketing since Roe v. Wade. We thought that that would cause less abortions, but a big reason for that isn't necessarily the overturning of Roe v. Wade. It's more so the allowance of abortion pills to be sent in the mail to women. And so what's happening right now is there are, you know, Roe v. Wade happened, and all the states have gotten to decide what do we want to do with abortion? And so there are almost a dozen states that are like Montana and said, we're gonna enshrine it in our constitution, abortion without limits. And then there's been a dozen other states that have said, great, we don't want any abortion in our state, we're going to ban it entirely. There's no abortion. And so in the places where there's no abortion, it is completely banned, which is the will of the people in that state, abortion pills are still being mailed out to people, to women in those states. So it's for example, it's legal to have the abortion to have abortions and to take the abortion pill and mail it across wherever you want in somewhere like California, or even in Montana, really. But we're gonna use California as an example. So in California, you can you can get the abortion pill, you can have it mailed to your house. That's that's legal there. But then in Louisiana, it's totally illegal. And so some manufacturer, for example, in say California is mailing out an abortion pill across state lines. It's legal for them to mail it out, but they're mailing it to Louisiana where it's illegal for the woman to take it to obtain it. But how do you regulate that? And so the California is violating Louisiana state laws, but people are getting away with it because they can just order it online. You can't go to a clinic or go to a pharmacy in Louisiana and get the abortion pill, which by the way, with these lifted restrictions that have happened and it being kind of a chemical abortion free-for-all out there, uh, you can now get abortion pills at any pharmacy. They call it anywhere at your neighborhood pharmacy, which just means no special pharmacy, you know, CVS, Walgreens, your grocery store pharmacies, everywhere. Again, it's it's like it's it's almost like I want to say ibuprofen, but at least you have to you just get that off the shelves. We're not quite there yet. But it's it's just so unregulated. You can just go to the pharmacy and pick it up. Um, and so you can't do that in places like Louisiana because it's illegal in their state. But there are now over 70 online websites that sell the abortion pill. 70. How is it possible to know that all 70 of those abortion pill retail stores online are selling something that is high quality, that is correct, that is manufactured in a safe location, that is regulated. I mean, that's a lot of online retail sites to be selling a very dangerous drug. I mean, this drug always kills someone. And then 11% of the time, which that number just came out recently, 11% of the time, the woman's also affected in a in a in a severely adverse way, not just like a mild, like this is, you know, I bled for a few extra days or something like that, or my cramping was extra severe and I had to take off work. No, these are severe adverse reactions. 11% of women are experiencing this, and you can just get it from 70 online websites. So places like Louisiana, and Louisiana specifically is the taste I'm focusing on because they are actually fighting this right now. So a woman orders the abortion pill from whatever, California, I mean Montana, whoever sells wherever the manufacturers are, and she gets it shipped to her front door, and she was never checked for ectopic pregnancy, she was never checked for how far along she was to see if this is actually the right prescription for her to have. Uh, they don't know her medical history, nothing. Anyone can get this. And so it's shipped to her door, and and she takes that in Louisiana, and so technically she's committing a crime in Louisiana, but it's very hard to prosecute these things over state lines. And so Louisiana can't really like find all 70 of these online sites and say, we're going to sue all of you and make you stop sending it here. Like it's very hard because the rules are different from state to state. It's very hard to prosecute that because what California did wasn't technically illegal because it's legal in their state, they can sell it. But in Louisiana, abortion is outlawed. So it's very hard to prosecute that. Um, but the state of Louisiana, right now, so a week ago, it was on Friday, so just a little over a week ago. Um, on Friday, Louisiana filed a suit that said um it went to the Fifth Circuit Court, which is just we don't need to get into how the court system necessarily works, but it is not the Supreme Court, okay? So it's in the Fifth Circuit Court, it's above the district courts, I believe, but below the Supreme Court. And that that court right now has put a stay on mailing chemical abortion pills because Louisiana is suing and saying it, we're saying we this is happening in our state, and we are, you know, we're incurring costs for women that are coming into the ER with these severe adverse reactions. And so it's costing our state money, it's against our state laws, and it's not in the best interest of the people in our state. And so they're actually suing. And so the Fifth Circuit court right now is um they put a stay, which means it's just paused for everything all for all male male order abortions to just to stop because they said we need time to gather more information. And so they're currently gathering information to see, okay, who what what are both sides of this? You know, is that is there a suit here? And then so that was that was last week. And then actually what happened was uh the mon the Supreme Court got word of it because the people that are being sued, uh, they said they sent a letter or something to the Supreme Court, notified them, and said, Hey, we think that this isn't right and we want you to get involved. And so the Supreme Court said, okay, everybody just stop. And so they stopped the ban on the abortion pills for just a week. And they said, we need to look at these, these, both sides of these briefings and see, you know, is this constitutional to do? Is there standing here? You know, is there grounds for this suit to be brought and for the request on the abortion ban to happen? Um, and so they're looking at everything. And then on Monday, so in just a couple days, they're going to uh decide what the Supreme Court's gonna do. So the Supreme Court can do a few things. So the Supreme Court can one say state of Louisiana is um has validation in bringing this suit. Go ahead, Fifth Circuit Court. You can, you know, hear this case. And and in the meantime, the request that Louisiana is asking for stopping all male order abortions while the case is being heard. So it's not like this is actually the ban right now. Louisiana is just asking, saying we because we're incurring um, you know, uh costs and health issues, um, adverse effects, everything for the people in the state of Louisiana where abortion is banned, we are requesting that all male order abortions stop while we bring this suit forward to the courts and it gets heard and then a final decision is made. And so the Supreme Court is deciding on right now if that is legal or correct. And so they could they can do a few things. So they've looked, they've had like a week to look over the case. They could say Louisiana, Louisiana has grounds for this request. Um, all male order abortions will stop until this case is heard in the Fifth Circuit Court, and it goes back to the Fifth Circuit, and then whenever that goes on docket and they hear it, then that case goes forth. Another thing that the Supreme Court could do is they could say, we actually want to, uh well, one, we don't think that Louisiana Louisiana has grounds for this request, and that would effectively uh kind of stop the lawsuit even from coming forth, uh, from my understanding. So it would not, it would they would say, you know, they can't request a ban on mail order abortions right now, and that might even just kill the case altogether. Um, or they would just say go ahead and hear the case, Fifth Circuit Court. Um, but in the meantime, Louisiana didn't show us that there's enough reason to pause mail order abortions until the case can be heard. So mail order abortions could continue to be sent out while the case is heard in the fifth circuit court, or abortions, mail order abortions could stop while it's being heard in the fifth circuit court, or the Supreme Court, this is pretty unlikely from what I understand, but the Supreme Court could say, we're gonna hear this case ourselves, actually. And then they would take it off of the Fifth Circuit's docket. They would say, This is our case now, we want to hear it. Uh and what would happen if if they decided that is they only have certain times during the year when they're hearing cases, and so they actually wouldn't even have it on the docket until fall. They're done with their cases for the spring. And so when the fall comes around, then the Supreme Court starts up again and they could have it on their docket then. So it could be, I mean, it could be a year from now, it could be June 2027 before we actually have a decision on that, uh, the mail order abortion case or not. Uh that's if it went to the Supreme Court. So those are some of the options of what could happen and be decided on Monday. Another thing that could happen is Supreme Court could just say, we want more time to review this briefing. Um, you know, they said they were gonna give us an answer this coming Monday. And so on Monday they could say, we want another week to review things. We need more time. That is something else that could happen. And then we're still in the same waiting game of the other options of them taking it up, them telling Louisiana to go forward and pause. Mail order abortions in the meantime, or them telling Louisiana to go forward, but don't pause mail order abortions in the meantime. Um, so they could just want more time as well. So the most likely thing that's going to happen is they are going to decide, the Supreme Court is going to decide one way or the other of if the request to pause mail order abortions uh while the case is being heard in the Fifth Circuit has standing or not, and then it just goes back to the Fifth Circuit and it's heard in Louisiana. Now, I think that that's probably the best option. I know a lot of us think let's get it to the Supreme Court. We want them to officially decide on it. But here's the thing: we have a quite a mix of liberal judges and conservative judges in the Supreme Court, and they have already um made some other, you know, abortion decisions by like by Roe v. Wade sending it back to the states. It's possible that as they're deliberating, they could say, Well, we did that. Um, and so they could maybe go a little more relaxed on the male order abortion thing, uh, just to just if that's the way the vote goes for them. Uh also, I feel like the Supreme Court is like it feels like the you know most important. I mean, it is the highest court in the nation, and it is an important court, but I just I just don't think that they've had a good track record recently with making uh decisions about on things about life. I've been shocked by some of our justices that I thought would have ruled one way that was, you know, advocating for life, and they ruled a different way. Now, they're trying to do their jobs, I'm sure, you know, they're interpreting the constitution, and the main thing the Supreme Courts are deciding is it's deciding um, you know, is the state, are the states or whoever is in the case, is it are they uh how much change are they trying to make? And so the Supreme Court's job is to preserve the Constitution um as much as they possibly can. So they're gonna go with whatever has the least amount of change um that affects the least amount of people. And right now across our nation, the I believe the perspective would likely be the least amount of change to make from what's happening right now is to leave male order abortions totally legal across the whole nation. That's been the precedent for a while. Um, if that stops, there are gonna be a lot of people that are really up in arms over that. Um, a lot of lobbyists, a lot of um, you know, NGO type groups that are probably going to be, you know, shouting at Congress about it. Like it's it would be an uproar and it would be a big change for a lot of people. A good change, um, but it would be a big change. And so it's possible the Supreme Court, however conservative we think some of our judges are, they could interpret that as this is too much of a change, and so we're not going to pause mail order abortions. We're just gonna leave it as it is. That's possible. And so I feel like it's too risky, actually, for it to go to the Supreme Court. I think the best option is that the Supreme Court says, Louisiana, you have grounds to be upset over this and to ask for a pause on mail order abortions. Now that might just be in Louisiana while the case is heard in the Fifth Circuit. But if they if the Supreme Court says that, pause mail order abortions while this case is being heard, and the case is heard, and it's likely the case that Louisiana will win the case, uh, because they have they have total, I mean, grounds and reason and standing to not want mail abor mail order abortions in their state because it's outlawed in their state. And so, but essentially to stop that, you have to stop all mail order abortions because the United States Postal Service, where these pills are being shipped through, that's a national service. So you can't just say deliver in California, but not in Louisiana. Um, they don't check through the mail and you know make sure, okay, this is legal to go across this state line according to their state laws or their state laws or whoever. The postal service doesn't do that. And so it would effectively pause it across the whole nation. Um, because if it can't go to Louisiana, you kind of just can't send them because that's not there's no way to check that with the Postal Service being a national system. And that's a positive thing. And so that's why I think the best option, I mean, I would love it if the Supreme Court said we have to pause male order abortions while the case is being heard, um, and then send it back to that court, because that would mean they would stop effectively. Um, that could be a decision that happens this coming Monday. On Monday, the Supreme Court could say, we looked this over, we're gonna we approve that male order abortions will be paused while this case is being heard, and then what happens with the case is a separate situation, but at least for right now, possibly starting Monday, male order abortions will stop. They will stop altogether. And that would be amazing. That would be life-saving for the women and families in Montana. And so then the ultimately what I think is best is that that happens, and then uh the case that gets heard in Louisiana, that they rule in favor of the state of Louisiana, and they say, yep, this was wrong. Um, this has to stop. And so male order abortions um cannot happen in Louisiana, which again, because the Postal Service is a national system that would effectively uh set it would effectively cause a nationwide injunction, meaning that it's not necessarily outlawed and illegal everywhere to have mail order abortions, but an injunction would essentially stop it from happening because there's like this precedent in Louisiana, and you can't send them to Louisiana, and that was proved in court, if this goes the way we hope it goes, and that would stop it everywhere else, because you can't just stop mailing to Louisiana, you have to stop mailing them all together so that so that they don't go to Louisiana. And so that would be what is ideal. I think that can again, that if you have thoughts, questions, know more about constitutional law or the court system than I do, please email in. Um, we want to have those conversations. But from what I currently understand, that would be the best because I think the Supreme Court is too much of a risk to be left with these decisions right now, um, just given their track record and just given how they see it and what their job is compared to a lower-level court, which their job is to protect the state's interest, not the national interest or the national constitution alone, but their state constitution. And so if we can get this precedent set in a very, very pro-life state like Louisiana, they would essentially be the leaders in the nation for setting the standard about abortion pills. And so that would be incredible. So if that if this was happening, for example, if this was happening in Montana in our state Supreme Court, I would say, I hope it goes to the National Supreme Court, because our Supreme Court in Montana is so liberal and we have activist judges that there is no way. I mean, they would all they wouldn't have even looked at the two sides of the case, I don't think. I think they would have heard about it and they would have said, nope, this is unconstitutional, which technically in Montana, with abortion without limits in our constitution, that's the correct ruling, unfortunately. And so this case would be dead in the water. It was happening in our state. But I think it's God's design and God's grace and his purpose that this is happening in Louisiana, a state that is already outlawed, totally banned abortion. And they're bringing this forth, they're standing up, they're showing courage, and they're saying we do not want women to be affected by the chemical abortion pill and have it mailed to their doors in our state. We already outlawed abortion, it's not legal here, and we're gonna protect our citizens and our citizens' interests. And our bottom line, really, because it's expensive to have these adverse effects and the women going to the emergency room. So if Louisiana could do that and that would affect the rest of the nation, I think that is a way better solution than hoping this goes to the Supreme Court. Now, I've talked to people who are saying, well, wouldn't the Supreme Court have more of a, you know, official and final ruling? And yes, that would feel good for us, but what we've seen from, you know, administration to administration, it's like whiplash right now in our nation. So you see, you know, you have like an Obama administration, and then someone like Trump gets in and we change all the rules that Obama had, and then Biden gets in and we change all the rules back to be more liberal, and then Trump gets in again, and now we're all conservative again. And so who's gonna get in next? Like, I really hope it's a conservative, but if we go back to a liberal Democrat president administr and an administration on the national level, they're gonna make all these new rules to allow abortion and abortion pills to be even more accessible if it's happening at the national level. So if we can get this happening at the state level in a state like Louisiana, then effectively, I don't know if there's much you can do about that after the fact, even on a Supreme Court national level. It would be it would be very difficult, I think. And so I think that's the best solution that could happen right now. So that's why we're jumping on an extra time, um, just to share this with you guys. You know, it's kind of some breaking news uh that possibly on Monday, um, May 11th, I believe is Monday, we could effectively have a temporary stop to the abortion pills being sent via mail. And that would be a huge win for women's health care, for babies' lives, and for life in general. So again, in the state of Montana, 82% of abortions are because of the chemical abortion pill. Now, in Montana, you can still access the abortion pill. You could still get it at pharmacies, you could still get it uh from the abortionists, from Planned Parenthood, because we already we don't we haven't banned abortion in our state. In fact, we have the opposite, we have without limits in our constitution. Um, so it wouldn't stop abortion pills, but it would it would hinder the access because women would at least have to go somewhere to get the pill. Doesn't mean they'd be checked. So we still have you know things we need to do in our state to protect women around the abortion pill, but it would stop the male order abortions uh in our state, which would at least help. Um, and so nationwide this would be huge. Um, but in our state, it would at least be a positive and it would send a message, you know, we don't want abortion pills without access, without, without limits. Like we want women to at least be checked and see if it's if they're even at the right stage of pregnancy to be taking the abortion pill. Um so that's what's happening right now. So what can we do? Um, fight's not over. So, number one thing we need to do right now, this weekend, um, if you're hearing this, when as soon as this is being released, um, tomorrow is Sunday, church day. Um, ask your pastors to pray about this. Ask your small groups to pray about this. Um, have your family pray about this, you know, around the dinner table for five minutes. Pray and intercede for the Supreme Court and for this decision right now to be on the side of life. Um, because on Monday, we're gonna get a decision of what's going to happen one way or the other with this case for Louisiana. And so we need to pray. Number one. Number two, there's a petition that live action has that I'll link to in the show notes. I'll post it on social media, uh, I'll email it out even that you can sign. And I think it might have you actually contacted representatives, or it might just be a petition, or I think there's options to do both potentially. Whatever it, um, I I've I'm doing it, uh, I recommend you do it. So we need to sign that petition, contact our representatives. Um, and by signing that petition, live action is going to be using that to say, see all of these people that don't want the chemical abortion pill to be mailed out. See see all of this support, you know, across the nation, because they're a nationwide organization. Um, live action has that. So uh Students for Life has already done that, actually. They've already delivered a bunch of signed petitions about this um topic of mail order abortions um to people in DC to show that there's already support for having this mail order free for all for killing babies. And so that's what this petition for live action is. We need to show our support that we want this to stop because the voice of the people does still matter. And here's the thing: it's easy to get discouraged because the minority in our nation right now is shouting so loudly, but they are the minority. They actually are this the we have a silent majority right now in our nation, and we need to not be silent anymore. We need to make our voices heard. And I think it's our godly obligation as Christians, as believers, we have an obligation in our nation right now to not be silent. And so um, apathy, I have a friend that says apathy is just surrendered authority. So if you don't want to have any authority over where you live, your town, your state, you don't want to see a change. Um, if you don't care, then go ahead. Stay apathetic. That's you're surrendering your authority. And the enemy and the people who are so, so, so wounded that they are pro-abortion, they are all about authority. They want all of the power, all of the authority. They want to dictate and decide what happens to women in our nation, what happens to families in our nation. And so if we're so if you want to just go ahead and surrender that authority, all I had to say is not on my watch. Not on my watch, not on your watch. God put you here for this time in history, and I know it's hard, and I know it's inconvenient, and I know that it takes up time and that we all have our own lives. Trust me, I have a young son and a new husband, and I am grateful God called me to do this and that I can help in some way, but it's not like we sought this out because we have all this free time. There is always a sacrifice. And so if that sacrifice is taking five minutes to pray before you go to bed tonight, make that sacrifice. If that sacrifice is jumping onto social media, clicking that link, and signing that petition, make that sacrifice. Share it with people that you know. We need to show our support in this area. And this is a real-time situation that's happening right now, and we can affect it. And I know, I know that our prayers can affect it and that our action can affect it. And we're going to protect women. And so that's what we need to do. We need to take back the authority that God's given us and stand up for this issue right now and stand up for women and families in our state and our nation. You know, we have the 250th anniversary of our nation coming up, and we are a nation built on life and Christian Judeo Foundations. And so now is the time to do that. So again, I urge you to pray and to sign that petition, then I'll link to. Uh, and we we could really, we could see some big, big changes happening soon with this abortion pill ban that's coming up. So if you have questions, reach out again, subscribe, download the episodes, find us on Facebook, Instagram, email us with questions, uh thoughts. If you have something to add to the conversation at abortignorance mt at gmail.com. And we will be checking in on this topic. We'll update you guys of what happens on Monday. And uh, and as this progresses, we'll keep you in the loop. So, right now, let's all just be praying uh that that life life wins this time on Monday. All right, have a good one, guys.